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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 3:59 PMI confess I don't even want to watch.
I don't even understand how someone can be "pro-war." I can see, at the most, saying (as in WWII) there is no option left and we have to fight to prevent the worst from happening but so many things close to the worst will happen in preventing the worst that we should never go easily into war and it should always be THE very last option. -
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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Wed, January 14, 2009 - 11:55 PMWatch it.... then you can dispute these people if you need to. It does a nation, or 2 good. -
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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Thu, January 15, 2009 - 7:32 AMI traveled in Israel (yrs ago now), & my Mom's sister's kids--adults, were there, living &/or studying... & they are very Religious/ literalists--& I don't agree with this, from my perspective. I use to think that it would be convenient to imagine them as a source toward the Jewish ideal in mind for me. But, it is barely the case, because the warm & fuzzy quickly erodes--they would define things I am too busy in my mind understanding in a whole different light. The idea of the sabbath (shabbat) is something I adjust to, like a plateaued week into a peak weekend, trading off the gravity of what fire I stoke, light dark light dark, corridor/ plateau. They "imagine" the sabbath as a culmination of meritable lives to be Observed & placed into a nice neat box, because the mutually arising communities in which we live is the least of their worries to be attenuated: they are only concerned with the vital Jewish norm... Whereas I plug into the transcendental bridge unto Islam--quite a bit, Buddhism--Hinduism, & Christian teachings willingly & strangely because that motive gets jaded just looking around at the white bread world projecting an unsavory version therein. In the end, and I know I am preaching to the chorus, there is no authority to appeal to toward "self-actualization."=Gandhi's definition for religion. -
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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Tue, January 20, 2009 - 10:59 PMI think I understand what you are talking about Scott. I read a great blog about the difference between *Judaism*, *Jewishness* and *Jews*. Also the notion of your exceptionalism spoken of by Eduard Said comes to mind. Exceptionalism means that one is not open to the wider world. How can one see oneself as being integrally connected to all life when one considers oneself part of an exclusive group?
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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Wed, January 21, 2009 - 9:47 AMJohn do you think, maybe pertaining to Said's autobiography, that he is as forgiving as Amos Oz's Love & Darkness--his autobio? Or are they necessarily approached in different ways. Oz is quite critical & stone romancing too, per his common heritage of the Jews that he feels a peaceable awareness much reach. Said, I can't recall has as critical of an approach to Palestinian bridge of peace in the condition he is enjoining. --uhm maybe somewhat, yet his thing is complicated too. -
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Re: Pro war rally in NYC
Fri, January 23, 2009 - 12:32 PMScott, I have not read Said's autobio. As I understand it though, in his later years he dropped his support for violent struggle as a means to achieving justice for the Palestinians and suggested the strengthening of Palestinian civil society. As I understand it, he was a strong critic of Arafat and the Palestinian authority. From what I have read of Oz, his views seem somewhat inconsistent, in that he supports some Israeli wars and not others.
I viewed a biographical film of Said made in the lat year of his life. He seemed very reasonable and discerning. He seemed like a very principled man.
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