Someone posted this on the politics tribe and it resonates with what I learned as a child from my family's Jewish friends.
The parallels to Islam, after all, are so sensible.
Curious what your thoughts are. Please refrain from filtering them through propaganda and the weight of bad narrative. I will not respond.

Lebanon crisis reveals an Anti-Jewish Israeli State
by Joshua Stein
Copyright © 2005 The Canadian
www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/...0.html


<<photo>> Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert along with his confederates who bombs innocent civilians in Lebanon, in the name of protecting a 'Jewish State' has committed a great apparent abomination against Jewish law.


Hezbollah militants crossed into Israel in mid-July 2006 and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert calls the soldiers' capture "an act of war." Israel then responds in southern Lebanon with warplanes, tanks and gunboats, among other forms of military retaliation. U.S. President George W. Bush responds a couple of days after Israel's abrupt military response by rejecting a request by Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora to support calls for an immediate ceasefire on Israel.

Members of the Israeli government including Prime Minister Olmert refer to themselves as Jews, who are champions of the Jewish State of Israel as Mr. Bush refers to himself as a "Christian" champion. However, the current crisis in Lebanon has nothing substantively to do with either Judaism or Christianity.


The hideous intelligence of Jewish and Christian impostors

<<photo>> Israeli elites who bomb innocent Lebanese civilians are influenced by the Leo Strauss, who was a Zionist who sought to re-create German Nazism in a scheme of "World Domination".

Judaism, and the Christianity that Jesus inspired, are religions which embrace peace, and a related system of social ethics. In contrast, the perpetrated actions by Israeli elites and their U.S. neo-conservative allies against innocent Lebanese civilians, reveals a hideous intelligence far from the spirit of either Judaism or Christianity.

The perpetration of a criminal act of a group who kidnaps two soldiers, does not justify the infliction of or the loss of not even one innocent life of a human being. Indeed, the Lord's Commandments to both the Jews and the Christians is "Thou Shall not Kill". Israel to-date is already responsible for thousands of casualties, maimings, and injuries. However, it is apparent that these modern day Israelis along with their allies, have turned their back against the enlightened messages of the Torah. That action is somewhat reminiscent of early Israelites who turned to worshipping the "Golden Calf", when Moses was on Mt. Sanai. The "Golden Calf" has symbolized the worship of idoltry and of materialism, and has resulted in the execution of venality, and of iniquity.


Jewish social responsibility ignored

Pursuant to the Torah, every Jew is a guarantor for every other Jew. Judaism teaches you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution. Being a bystander is not an option. Therefore, any Jew who turns a blind eye to the apparent unethical conduct of a self-professed "Jewish State" shares the responsibility in the "Crimes against Humanity" that are being mischievously perpetrated in the name of Judaism.


Is Israel in fact, a Jewish State in the spirit of the Torah?

If Israel was in fact a 'Jewish State', its leaders would unconditionally express lovingkindness, civility, empathy, and peace in a spirit of social justice. Israel would be a model Just Society, in the world where Jews, Palestinians, other Arabs, and other peoples would live side by side, with an equitable quality-of-life, and with a spirit of cross-cultural sharing and understanding. However, the actions of Israeli elites have once again shown in Lebanon that they do not value the lives of non-Israelis, who have no ill will toward them. The reckless bombing of Lebanese civilians for the kidnapping of two soldiers by the criminal actions of a group, shows the very apparent racist and fascistic Israeli mentality, which is at the heart of creating the conditions for crises in the Middle East. Indeed, the Palestinians and other Arabs in "Greater Israel" are treated even worse than had black Africans in apartheid South Africa. Palestinians and other Arabs are also viewed by the very elites who attack Lebanon, with apparently not much higher regard, than the blacks had been viewed in the former apartheid regime. Prevailing Israeli elites do not express the vital spirit of Judaism in their actions.


Actual Judaism challenges the mis-deeds of Israeli elites

<<photo>> This is the spirit of Judaism: A Rabbi and Imam shaking each other's hand in a spirit of mutuality, peace, and cross-cultural appreciation.


Judaism, reveres G-d as creating the Universe, the Heavens, the Earth and all its living creatures. When Israeli elites bomb and kill thousands of innocent civilians in Lebanon, they are defiling the spirit of G-d in everyone. When such activities are done in the name of defending a "Jewish State", these Israeli elites further compound the mischief in their German Nazi 'SS' type of barbarity.

Jews, including substantively Jews who are citizens of Israel, have a responsibility, in part to champion peace among all nations, rather than executing oppression and inflicting war among all the nations. This special duty is associated with Jews having pledged a Covenant with G-d concluded with the biblical patriarch Abraham, their ancestor, and again with the entire Jewish nation at Mount Sinai. Within this view, Jews are charged with embracing a standard of spiritually inspired social ethics to help usher a sought era of ever-lasting global peace.


<<photo>> This is NOT the spirit of Judaism, but rather, and Israeli State that turns it back to Jewish law and social ethics: Israeli army tank facing-off against Palestinian child, or woman of Arab background showing a photo of a member of the Israeli woman pointing a gun at a woman and her children.


The Guiding Principles of Reform Judaism, Columbus, Ohio, 1937, for example, specifically states "We regard it as our historic task to cooperate with all men in the establishment of the kingdom of God, of universal brotherhood, Justice, truth and peace on earth. This is our Messianic goal."

Contrary to the actions of Israeli elites in Lebanon, Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik writes "Even as the Jew is moved by his private Sinaitic Covenant with G-d to embody and preserve the teachings of the Torah, he [or she] is committed to the belief that all humankind, of whatever colour or creed, is "in His image" and is possessed of an inherent human dignity and worthiness. Rabbi Malkiel Kotler, dean of the Haredi Lakewood Yeshiva, in the commentary entitled 'The Real Truth About the Talmud' writes "Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

Rabbi David Weiss Outside the Israeli Consulate at Rally Co-sponsored by Islamic Center of Jersey City, and related groups in October 2000, stipulated that "The Jewish people are commanded by Almighty G-d to live in peace with all peoples and nations on the face of the globe." Rabbi Weiss affirmed that "Our national agenda [as Jews] is simple -- It is to humbly worship the Creator at all times," by in part, showing empathy, and respect for each other in a spirit of mutuality.

"As Torah Jews" Rabbi Weiss says "we are called upon to feel and express our sense of compassion when any person or group of human beings suffers. This includes the current suffering of the Lebanese, and the on-going sufferings of the Palestinians. In the words of King David, the Psalmist, "And His Mercy is upon all His creatures. All men are created in the image of G-d."

Rabbi Weiss further made representation that "When we look at the cauldron of suffering which the Middle East has become for the Palestinian people, we stand back aghast -- homes and lives lost, family suffering, the list goes on and on."


Why have the tragic events of last 52 years come to pass?

<<photo>> Rabbi David Weiss expresses the Jewish spirit, in solidarity with Muslims and other peoples.


Rabbi Weiss indicates that "The answer lies in one word - Zionism." Zionism is in fact, a form of neo-fascism. Having had many relatives who lost their lives in the Holocaust, the hypocritical Israeli elites now inflict their own brand of neo-fascism, in the form of militaristic and racist Zionism.

Rabbi Weiss indicates that "Zionism has misled some Jews into thinking that there exists a need to pursue aggressive policies against the Palestinian people (and other peoples in Middle East) to steal their land and persecute their people."

This is hardly surprising as it is a creed in direct opposition to the basics of Jewish faith, which pivots on the enlightened messages of the Torah.

Rabbi Weiss refers to Zionism as "an embarrassment to the Torah Jew.", and further stipulates that "Our prayers for the Messianic era are centered on the future -- a future when G-d alone, without any human involvement, will redeem all humankind, who will then worship Him together in peace.

The Torah's ways are peace. Indeed, furthermore, centuries ago, Micah the Prophet, offered a vision of peace. No longer ruled by war and violence, humans would live together, unharmed, and content. Lo yisa goi el goi cherev lo yilmedu od milchama.

Bombings not the actions of a "Jewish" State....

The bombing of Lebanon is therefore not the actions of a "Jewish" State. The bombing of Lebanon is also not even the actions of even a State concerned with protecting "the lives of soldiers", or even simply 'national boundaries'. The lives of all Israeli soldiers that are now significantly further threatened, could have been spared by a truly responsible Jewish response, to such kidnapping. Indeed, arguably, the kidnapping would have not have occurred in the first place, if the ways of peace expressed in the Torah had been embraced by an ethical Israeli State governance. The bombing of Lebanon also certainly did not make Israeli citizens feel more secure, as retaliatory military strikes are unleashed into Israel from southern Lebanon.

The mythology of the "fight against terrorism"

According to reports in the mass-media, that include the Zionist and neo-conservative CanWest Global, Israel had to act in the way that it has militarily perpetrated, in order to deal with "Hezbollah terrorists". However, it is self-evident that this is propaganda. Rather, the best and also ethical way to deal with such a criminal elements associated with Hezbollah (and other groups like Hamas), is to alleviate the atrocious oppressive socio-economic conditions perpetrated by Israeli elites, in the areas where Hezbollah gets its recruits. Such an alternative critical appreciation is inspired by the wisdom of the Jewish Torah.

However, the actions of the Israeli elites, (along with their U.S. neo-conservative backers), are not aimed at combating terrorism. On the contrary, it is apparent that these elites seek to substantively "fan the flames" of so-called "terrorism", so that these elites can have a contrived justification to inflict more oppression, and human suffering. It is apparent that these elites have sold out, and have exchanged the Torah and the Bible, for the quest of the pursuit of a plan of oppression, bullying, provocation, and "World Domination".

Architects of War seek a "New World Order"

When Newt Gingrich indicated in the U.S. media, that "we are already into World War III", he was simply expressing the apparent 'wishful thinking' of the hideous intelligence of neo-conservative elites. These elites talk of "anti-Terrorism", while engaging in conduct that provokes so-called "terrorism".



In the apparent mentality of elites, a World War III is not to be 'avoided', but to be carefully "planned", alongside Corporate "Globalization", so that the "right people" can rule the Earth, and control, as well as, use, its resources. In the apparent 'wishful thinking' for World War III, betrayed by Gingrich's comments, such a War would necessitate permanent "martial law", so that "liberal democracy" can be done away with, once and for all. This process has already been taking place in the United States, and other societies, under the elite contrived so-called "War on Terrorism". It is apparent that fascistic neo-conservatives that include 'anti-Jewish' Israeli elites, deplore the sharing of power with the "inferior races of the world" domestically, and through democratic inspired fora like the United Nations. In the view of neo-conservatives , World War III would usher into the world a "Golden Area" of jingoistic totalitarian rule under the direct of "rich" owners of capital, who would consolidate the so-called "New World Order".

In the process, the elites who prevail over an agenda of oppression via war and "Globalization" believe that the Lebanese and other Muslims, whether Hezbollah or not, are all guilty of being "inferior races". The senseless bombing of innocent civilians in Lebanon by Israeli elites, backed by U.S. neo-conservatives, can only be explained if, these elites do not value the lives of innocent human beings, who are culturally different peoples. This is the apparent psychopath-like fascist prism that now shapes the seekers of a "New World Order", in which Lebanon is another sought step to that sought goal.

Copyright © 2005 The Canadian.
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SF Bay Area
  • Why would you post this in Jews and Muslims together?
    • Why not, isn't everything on the table here now?
      • This tribe is about:

        A place for open-minded Jews and Muslims to come together and understand one another. At this time in history when we see so much violence toward our peoples and by our leaders, let's do it differently and learn from each other instead. Shalom, salaam.

        There are other places on Tribe to debate this type of subject. What we need in here now is Jews and Muslims coming together not posts that will get them to intellecually tear each other apart."

        Again quote: "A place for open-minded Jews and Muslims to come together and understand one another. At this time in history when we see so much violence toward our peoples and by our leaders, let's do it differently and learn from each other instead. Shalom, salaam. "


        Just read the non-Zionist Jewish threads to see how to turn this into a hate channel.
        • <A place for open-minded Jews and Muslims to come together and understand one another. At this time in history when we see so much violence toward our peoples and by our leaders, let's do it differently and learn from each other instead. Shalom, salaam. >

          Lately I have seen none of that--I have mainly witnessed a bunch of ideological diatribes from both sides and who started what first when that will not be resolved to anyone's satisfaction and some ugly name-calling to boot.

          Apparently, if there is a sedate and reasoning purpose to the tribe as it began, the moderator has not been here in ages to enforce it.
          • These subjects should be discussed and aired but not in here.

            I wrote to the moderator earlier this week and did not even get the courtesy of a reply.

            What I expect to see here is how Jews and Muslims can work through the hate which is only being intensified by the present situation.
            • ;) well I note the last activity her profile had was in 2005.

              I am not naive to think that people can not pull out past incidents or cite history for their side. But as long as that is the way people talk to one another it seems all that's accomplished is reiteration of the feud and why each side has a right to mistrust the other.

              Fact, there are people living in Israel and the territories--Jews (European, Sephardic, and Sabra) and Arabs/Palestinians (Muslim and Christian) who aren't going to just pick up and leave and forget about wanting to live where they are tied to spiritually and emotionally. That seems to be the first place to start, no one is going anywhere so stop asking the other side to just pick up and leave and how can we all get along in the future.

              Is that being too simplistic?
        • Getting along

          Fri, July 21, 2006 - 12:19 PM

          Thanks for that Dez.

          There are more than enough tribes and discussion going on about who's right and who's wrong and who's evil in this conflict.

          But in here, let's look for way to understand each other and get along.
          • Re: Getting along

            Fri, July 21, 2006 - 6:24 PM
            oh come ON you guys. I am not your mother and you have to actually share the mic. No marionettes. What kind of impression do you think this leaves of you? I don't think you even *read* the article.
            • Re: Togetherness?

              Fri, July 21, 2006 - 10:01 PM
              The article is irrelevant. There is over 90% approval in Israel for the government. For two rabbis to be quoted and then their comments twisted around into an attack on Judaism in Israel and the politicial leadership is ridiculous and naive.

              What am I meant to do -- go and pull quotes out of the torah supporting the eye for an eye philosophy or defend the concept of a Jewish state or put the cards on the table and say that Israel is fighting a war for its existence against Iran (via an Iranian proxy that is armed to the teeth?).

              That is not going to help anyone and that sort of discourse does not belong in this group. I can post rubbish here suggesting Islam is the root of all the world's troubles. I can point to Arab genocide in Dafur and ask you what is the "intellectual perspective of modern Islam on this minor issue of 400,000 dead and over 2 million refugees?" I can ask you how often you have booted up your computer and posted here on that subject? I can ask you how you have the religious hutzpah to live as an occupier in a country that kicked out and slaughtered the indigenous Indian population at the very time Jews were returning in numbers to part of the Ottoman Empire with the blessing of its leadership?

              In short I have a smart hard answer to every question you care to put up here. But where does that take this tribe and its objectives?

              As I requested before, please have the courage to delete the thread and put it up somewhere appropriate.
              • Re: Togetherness?

                Sat, July 22, 2006 - 1:35 AM

                "As Torah Jews" Rabbi Weiss says "we are called upon to feel and express our sense of compassion when any person or group of human beings suffers. This includes the current suffering of the Lebanese, and the on-going sufferings of the Palestinians. In the words of King David, the Psalmist, "And His Mercy is upon all His creatures. All men are created in the image of G-d."

                This is a sophisticated evolutionary imperative. Is this not the very sacred ground upon which apparently diverse humans can and must meet?

                Dez -- put down your demagogue's pen, just for a moment, and write even one sentence without attempting to foist untenable assumptions onto your trusting reader.

                The U.S. treatment of the Native peoples was, and continues to be, tragically, sharply un-American. The expenditure of $700,000,000,000 annually on blood money is beyond good and evil. Why don't you have the courage to speak to what the good rabbis actually say?
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    This article sounded like so much Neturei Karta bullshine so I asked :"So who is this Rabbi David Weiss ?"
    He is a contemptible person who takes money from the PLO and other racist groups to spread his hateful anti-Jewish propaganda. This thread pollutes the concept of this tribe. I suggest the moderator dump it.

    www.discoverthenetwork.org/indi...e.asp

    *Rabbi and anti-Israel activist
    *Member of Neturei Karta
    *Opposes Zionism
    *"Israel kills people to harvest and sell their body parts."
    *"After 53 years of having our blood shed on the altar of a nineteenth century colonial nationalism, misapplied to the Jewish people, having spilled rivers of blood of other peoples, it is high time that world Jewry subject the first assumptions of Zionism to criticism."

    Overview

    Rabbi David Weiss is a dream-come-true for anti-Israel activists, and they send him on the lecture circuit repeatedly. A rabbi in full Hasidic garb, he sports a pin of a Palestinian flag on his lapel and vilifies Zionism and Israel with the same slander that is used by the most hate-filled anti-Israel and anti-Semitic speakers. However, Weiss also adds a unique Jewish-related dimension. He claims that Zionism and Israel are evil according to religious "Jewish law."

    Weiss belongs to a small, radical, ultra-Orthodox sect, Neturei Karta, which "has always been in the forefront of those voices that have been raised in opposition to Zionism," he proudly tells audiences. The group believes that God punished the Jews with exile for their sins, and that a Jewish state cannot be reestablished until God redeems them and the Messianic Age begins. They consequently view Zionism and Israel as sinful departures from Judaism and call for the dismantlement of Israel.

    Despite their stated conviction that Jews should not be involved in secular politics and should devote themselves entirely to "worship of God," Weiss and Neturei Karta have plunged full-force into secular politics and are energetic anti-Israel activists who ally with the PLO and even with frankly anti-Semitic groups whose views they seem to share, such as the Nation of Islam. Weiss spoke at the Nation of Islam's annual convention in 2000, denouncing the Jewish state and Zionism. He promotes Zionist conspiracy theorists like those of ex-Congressman Paul Findley. Weiss stresses that Zionism and Judaism are in opposition, and he reassures audiences -- often to applause -- that if they are anti-Zionist, it certainly does not mean they are anti-Semitic.

    Neturei Karta admits that its political views are close to the PLO's Fatah group, and that its members work actively with the PLO, their moral sensibilities apparently unfazed by the Palestinian Authority's (PA) terrorist campaign. Yasser Arafat appointed Rabbi Moshe Hirsch, the Jerusalem leader of the Neturei Karta movement, as Minister of Jewish Affairs for the PA. The group also got financial support from Arafat. The Israeli Defense Forces discovered evidence that Arafat paid Neturei Karta $55,000 for "expenses" in just the first few months of 2002, and it appeared that Arafat made such payments regularly
    [...]

    Though the group claims to represent "hundreds of thousands of Jews," it has only an estimated 5,000 followers, largely in Jerusalem. Nor does the group represent "true Judaism." The Orthodox and Hassidic communities vehemently and publicly condemned Neturei Karta in 2002. After Neturei Karta members flew to Paris to show support for the hospitalized Arafat, the Orthodox and Hasidic community literally excommunicated Neturei Karta:

    "[W]e hereby reiterate and declare that hareidi/hassidic/Orthodox Jews everywhere absolutely reject the treacherous and contemptible conduct of that insignificant and irrelevant group of misfits and Mechalelei Hashem [desecraters of G-d's Name], who have again raised their ugly heads and besmirched and blackened the reputations of observant Jews worldwide.… [T]his contemptible and minuscule gang of traitors to Judaism were decades ago barred from our Synagogues and communities. Their refusal to abide by the pronouncements of religious and lay leaders of our communities has made them persona non grata."

    When Weiss speaks, he employs distorted history, slander, and the most extreme rhetoric of Palestinian propaganda, such as:

    "There will be no peace in the Middle East until there is no state of Israel."
    "The World-Wide Disease: Zionism and Israel Exposed."
    "Israel kills people to harvest and sell their body parts."
    "The suffering of the Jewish people in the Second World War . . . has been incessantly exploited by the Zionist propaganda machine since 1945."
    "After 53 years of having our blood shed on the altar of a nineteenth century colonial nationalism, misapplied to the Jewish people, having spilled rivers of blood of other peoples, it is high time that world Jewry subject the first assumptions of Zionism to criticism."
    "Zionism is missing the most potent weapon in any ideology's arsenal. It doesn't have the truth on its side."
    "At times the Zionist conquest via immigration became an actual shooting conquest with acts of terror against Palestinians, British and other Jews becoming the order of the day."
    "The cat is out of the bag. The true amoral and immoral core of Zionism stands revealed. Its current actions are yet another revelation of its evil essence."
    "There is nothing holy about shooting and brutalizing women and children! There is nothing holy about stripping millions of people of their basic political rights! There is nothing holy about casting an innocent nation into a 52 year exile!"
    "The need to enforce Zionist claims by force of arms, the need to dispossess a people from their towns and homes, the need to wage incessant war, to brutalize a people, including their women and children is an inevitable result of this, hopefully, short lived rebellion against God and elementary morality."
    "The key to peace is to return Palestine to the Palestinians in its entirety ,including the Temple Mount and Jerusalem . . . [and] a full right of return for all Palestinian refugees."
    Weiss encourages people to read Paul Findley's book to learn about "the immense resources that the Zionist lobby invested in destroying the careers of politicians all across the United States who had voiced some qualms about this nation's [America's] subservience to Israel."
    Biography

    The Brooklyn-born Rabbi David Weiss is the spokesman for the small ultra-Orthodox sect, Neturei Karta International (NKI). The group formed in 1938 in Jerusalem when other Orthodox groups, skeptical about Zionism, finally came to accept the legitimacy of the movement. Neturei Karta members, led by Rabbi Amram Blau, did not. They formed their own group whose explicit intention was to "continue the struggle against Zionism." They continue that struggle today by allying with enemies of Israel and with anti-Semites, and energetically working with them. Speaking at the Nation of Islam convention in 2000, Weiss claimed that Israel was an "abomination of God."

    Neturei Karta is headquartered in Jerusalem and has three synagogues in Brooklyn. Though the group proudly boasts it takes no funding from Israel -- and even refuses to accept Israeli social security -- it cannot raise money in the Jewish community, which has vehemently denounced it. However, Neturei Karta has no qualms about taking money from the PLO and other anti-Israel groups.

    Despite Neturei Karta's small size, it has had enough money for its leaders to fly around the globe to support anti-Israel events, demonstrations, and causes, and to give sympathy and support to Yasser Arafat, with whom it allied in the 1970s, at the height of the PLO's terrorist campaign. Although Neturei Karta claims to be battling only the "abomination" of a Jewish state, it also allies with frankly anti-Semitic groups as well. When Weiss spoke at the Nation of Islam convention in 2000, he attacked Jews who had criticized the Nation of Islam's notoriously anti-Semitic leader, Louis Farrakan. "We apologize for the chutzpah, the nerve of the Zionist leaders who attack the honorable Minister Farrakhan. All those who have called you an anti-Semite, let them be shamed. . . . All those who say they are Jews who speak ill of Mr. Farrakhan are not Jews."

    Anti-Israel groups are delighted to have these Jews, dressed in their Hassidic garb and quoting the Torah and the Talmud, spewing the same anti-Israel propaganda and lies that they spew. Because of their identification with Judaism, it can be difficult to counter Neturei Karta speakers.


    This profile is adapted, with permission, from Stand4Facts.org.
    • Hello juanita,

      "This thread pollutes the concept of this tribe. I suggest the moderator dump it."

      i agree that this Thread is against the concept of this Tribe but the fact that you posted in it, brought him up again!

      i will not dump it because Members invested time and thoughts in order to anwer on it same as you did, and what you wrote is also against the concept of this Tribe.
      Please read the Tribe new Description.
      so in one post you're asking me to delete this Thread and at the same time display your thoughts about it. there's a bit of a contradiction here.

      you were not here for a long time, but the active Members do Wish to Move on and to Actually Contrinute to the Purpose of this Tribe and i see you Wish to as well.
      one way is to ignore the Threads that do not seem to fit here and to delete them when they're not active.
      There're so many past Threads that do not belong here anymore but it gives us an Opportunity to see who we're facing.
      in every place that people meet up to talk about Peace (and i'm not only talking about the virtual world), someone will try to bring the war inside.
      it's not a lost battle if we ALL stay Strong Enough in the Decision to be Responsible to Our Own Words and Actions and to not Feed the Energies of the Ones that wishes to disturbe us.

      There are Enough new Threads here that do Contribute to the Goals of this Tribe - it is Our Choice on which ones we Wish to Emphasize upon.

      This is Our Tribe and Therefor we should Treat it as One.

      How it will Look - is depended on Us ALL.

      Welcome Back juanita and feel Free to Contribute in the Threads that do Actually Belong Here - in This Tribe.

      Peace,

      Gita.
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      Juanita,

      For me the real question is why you posted it? Is there something specific that you want to expose or discuss?

      Question for you. When is criticism of Israel and Zionism anti-Jewish, and when is it not?

      Does Netrei Kara upset you for his views? Do you feel that he is representative of all people who are critical of Israeli policy as it relates to Zionism? Is he anti-Jewish or hyper religious?

      FYI, it appears that many groups critical of Israeli policies have chosen not to associate with him or his group, so you're not alone in your conclusions it appears. I just went to read a bit about him at Wikipedia.

      I'm glad you posted the link. It gives me an opportunity to learn about someone that I was not aware of, and I'm grateful that there are people who dissent in a much more constructive and effective manner.

      Remember Juanita, we all want the same things, we just see different paths to reaching our common objectives.
      • Unsu...
         
        Well Eric, allow me to put to you the words of Gita, who I think is the moderator of this tribe:

        " ... the active Members do Wish to Move on and to Actually Contrinute to the Purpose of this Tribe and i see you Wish to as well.
        one way is to ignore the Threads that do not seem to fit here and to delete them when they're not active.
        There're so many past Threads that do not belong here anymore but it gives us an Opportunity to see who we're facing.
        in every place that people meet up to talk about Peace (and i'm not only talking about the virtual world), someone will try to bring the war inside.
        it's not a lost battle if we ALL stay Strong Enough in the Decision to be Responsible to Our Own Words and Actions and to not Feed the Energies of the Ones that wishes to disturbe us.

        There are Enough new Threads here that do Contribute to the Goals of this Tribe - it is Our Choice on which ones we Wish to Emphasize upon. "

        I wish to honor that. Therefore I suggest that you take what you like of this post and put it in another tribe, perhaps the middle-east conflict tribe, and I will speak to it there.

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